tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post5849049207876532709..comments2024-02-12T03:04:46.091-08:00Comments on AttackingtheDemi-Puppets: Can Literature Be Taught?King Wenclashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13709139159194279478noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post-41816074045322746432007-08-23T08:26:00.000-07:002007-08-23T08:26:00.000-07:00Here's a link to the profile of an author who I pu...Here's a link to the profile of an author who I publish. It's interesting to me that he chose to write about reading as a way to describe himself to the public. Also, that he was a professor yet check out how he refers to the typical approach to college education...sound familiar?<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AVCF68K4JA6ZTJeff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790219160140511776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post-78607726168778279432007-08-22T18:16:00.000-07:002007-08-22T18:16:00.000-07:00I think that even the most "hard" science---say me...I think that even the most "hard" science---say medical diagnostics, as you mention---STILL need the open eyes of someone who is to all practical purposes functioning as an artist. A patient needs a doctor who can SEE what's wrong with them, who can put all the pieces of the puzzle together. Then, of course, they have to know the details of what med goes with what disease, etc. That's the easy part. <BR/><BR/>The facts are the nuts'n'bolts, the building blocks, the musical scales, the muscles that are fit and ready.<BR/><BR/>The WHAT to do with them and HOW takes wisdom, genius, sensitivity... <BR/><BR/>Many of us are lucky enough to know car mechanics who are maestros at their art... Thankfully!<BR/><BR/>As you say, narrowness wrecks competence even in the "hard" sciences.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, we would tend to notice the train derailing first in the arts.Jeff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790219160140511776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post-3253462810787878042007-08-22T15:43:00.000-07:002007-08-22T15:43:00.000-07:00Jeff, I think what you said about math is true--sa...Jeff, I think what you said about math is true--same thing for science. While both fields may involve more supposedly "concrete" and sometimes "proven" ideas, theories and processes, and like in medicine when treatments and operations are being performed, ignoring basic biological constraints would be dangerous, there's still a great need for outside-the-box creative thinking in both math (often a language of science) and science. So much dogmatic absolutist ideology permeates both fields in school and out, to the detriment of both, but especially to science's detriment, which normally requires continual observational reassessments, testing, and doubt for (hopefully) higher accuracy when drawing conclusions. And that absolutism is a big reason why many science people are mediocrely competent at best, at least in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>To me it seems society has become increasingly rigid, closed-minded and conformist overall, just maybe some areas are more conformist than others. The arts seem particularly bad lately, but maybe it's more in a relative sense: because the arts are supposed to be a creative field by definition, people notice any rigidity inside it more. <BR/><BR/>I don't know what can be done about all this, I agonize over that a lot, over that society is this way and that nothing so far seems to have changed the path it's been going down--"down" being the operative word....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post-52555762562244382482007-08-22T14:15:00.000-07:002007-08-22T14:15:00.000-07:00[Man, I wish this blogger.com allowed post edits. ...[Man, I wish this blogger.com allowed post edits. Well, I caught a few more typos, so here goes again...]<BR/><BR/>I think the whole nation has a wretched relationship with creativity and freedom. This might well go back to some central Western mishandling of the ideas in Evangelical Protestantism.<BR/><BR/>Math also shouldn't be taught in a wright/rong way. There are practices to learn, like a piano player learning scales, but math should be first about learning how to SEE problems so that techniques for solving them can then be applied. But it takes a relaxed, creative vibe to SEE things with the mathematical eye. Math is essentially about elegance, beauty, harmony. Music, in a way, boils down to math. Likewise all math has a music to it. It's supposed to be our friend. It's for us, not against us. <BR/><BR/>...But that's not the kind of math we've been taught.<BR/><BR/>Alienation doesn't belong in ANY field!<BR/><BR/>There's a cool Sufi book by Idries Shah called "Learning How to Learn." Those Sufis are smart ones for knowing things about what we think we know.<BR/><BR/>King, you mention that all the teacher has to do is leave an open path, then let the student learn. Well, teaching is all about helping students create those openings in themselves. There's a lot of hard, repetitious work in this preparation. Getting rid of old habits and ideas. The dialectical method helps---if someone thinks they get it, question them until they see they don't get it. There's always something new to learn so someone's idea can always be brought to its contradiction and be shown that for it to live it has to be pushed further, higher. The teacher needs the student even more than vice-versa. Huh, what's that?<BR/><BR/>Learning how to read is quite a trick! Reading isn't about decoding letters--it's more like your description of how savvy students learn to "read" their profs and their expectations. It's about discovering then sifting, testing and trying out meanings for oneself. Then sharing your experience with others. How it looks to you may resonate with how it looks to them. Also, share how it WORKED for you. Meanings really need to be lived out. I mean, we're not just reading to kill time, are we?<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>I met a big yuppy bastard last weekend. He was loudly proud of it. He had cultivated that dark side. He loved to rip and tear and to heap scorn and to mock. Think of the party points such a bastard gets! What a winner! He just mows thru the lower ranks---no time for regular people. He was smart, dynamic, funny---so he put his effort into cleverness. It yields the best return these days, no? He was an ex-pat, now living in DC, a fat-cat, a big player in our national media. Each night he quickly drank himself into drooling, babbling oblivion (not so pretty then but whatever). Whew---what a way to go. And what leadership! Folks like him are running the show in every field---math, too! Literature is just the canary in the mine, gasping. There's a lesson here somewhere! How to read it?Jeff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790219160140511776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7983462.post-85394180324801621222007-08-22T14:08:00.000-07:002007-08-22T14:08:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jeff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790219160140511776noreply@blogger.com